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cependant, toute la Croatie sent comme un parfum français...:-)

Année de livraison is the main problem to Croatie ! Armee de l'Air wont let to loose extra 12 operational Rafales before Parly ordre extra 12 neufs, as same as she did for Grece ,it looks so.

yes, only on documents provided by constructeurs . And by visiting operators of the platforms, gathering their expirience. we are not rich enough to do something like Finland This is only text in last few days wich is not SAAB's paid promo. And this one it is not a fully reliable

these last few days SAAB is having a big media/PR operation in Croatia...they are bombing the media daily . On Rafale we have some media unofficiall info's like (https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/svi-detalji-nabave-borbenih-aviona-kolika-je-cijena-zrakoplova-koji-su-rokovi-isporuke-15012432) - F3R (oldest ones are 10 years) - some are from OPEX - first 6 rafale could be delivered in 2024. - price for whole package is under 1 mlrd Eur (wich was expected) - training up to 18 months So there could be a serious problem with Rafale , if it is true, most important is delivery in 2024. ! It is too long and that is maybe the most important variable for Croatia. We are loosing MIG's in 2023/24. And could be the most expensive per heures vol. Is there any credible france info on prix heures vol for Rafale ?

ohh, OK, sorry Croatia have Tactical-Tehnical study on new fighter jet wich defines minimal 12 fighterjets, consists of 10 singleseats and 2 biseats for training. TT study is still active (https://vlada.gov.hr/vijesti/odrzana-prva-sjednica-medjuresornog-povjerenstva-za-nabavu-visenamjenskoga-borbenog-aviona/26455) and is fundamental document in this process, so it is impossible to aquire 12 biseats. If DGA offers 12 biseats they cant win in Croatia. On 12. december we will know everything about all the offers.

@ARPA it must be a mistake, croatia seeks for 10 one-seaters and 2 bi-seaters. "Ou à l'iranienne, il faut de la place pour le commissaire politique qui surveille le pilote ?" this is completly wrong , no such intention in Croatia.

Is there any details on prix for 12 grece used Rafales (F3R !?) ?

US gave aproval for israeli b30 even the first time, but in condition as they were delivered to Israel in 80's, without any after upgrades and israeli technologies. And Croatia said No to that deal. So I dont see way how the b30 could be the winner this time, especially becouse the price will be higher this time. I think the Dassault is the major favorite , but only if they could set price for whole package between 850 mil - 1 mlrd euros. But rafale could be to expencive for croatian airforce regarding his price per hour flight F-16 b70 is expected to be cca 1,5 mlrd , and SAAB could go around 750 - 850 .

Croatian MoD announced today the France and USA gave their BAFO offers for used Rafale , new F-16 b70 and used israeli b30. During today is expected to do so Sweden. https://www.morh.hr/proces-nabave-visenamjenskog-borbenog-aviona/

petites curiosités de croatie. Deux membres importants du comité des achats sont les «Français» 1) https://vlada.gov.hr/predsjednik-vlade-65/ured-predsjednika-vlade/26726 , The Head of the Prime Minister's office 2) Daniel Markic, né à Paris, double nationalité Français-croate

même Rafale M1 - M10 est prévu d'être mis à niveau sur F3-R ?

Quelle est la différence entre le Rafale M retrofited F3 et les autres Rafales F3-R standards. L'équipement F3 est-il également une architecture ouverte pour passer à d'autres normes?

I will keep you all informed as soon as we got official Goverment info on offers. Unofficially , Gripen is C/D , not from production line , but 12 of 14 already manufactured stored, So basiclly it is not new. Also , unofficially USA offers model on 8 F-16 b70/72 +optional 4 more.

L'une des idées de la Croatie est de fournir des services de police aérienne au Monténégro et à l'Albanie, en outre, la surface de la mer croate est de 138 595 km2.

Honnêtement, je ne suis pas sûr que des offres simultanées pour la grèce et la croatie pour 12 + 12 d'occasion, ainsi que la charge de la flotte française et des ressources de formation soient possibles et réalisables. Je pense que la Croatie pourrait perdre de cette histoire sur Rafale

image plus large absolument correcte. Mais ce CFH est variable intéressant à comparer à gripen ou F-16.

Il serait intéressant de connaître le coût des Rafale par heure de vol hors opex? le même paramètre pourrait être encore plus bas dans le système croate

Ce sont de vieux préjugés qui ne sont plus valables depuis longtemps. Mais l'exploitation du Rafale est trop chère pour la Croatie

High delegation Croatian Airforce today is in visit Franche MoD...10 day after reciving France offer. Croatian MoD says ; everything is clasified, no comment. La haute délégation de l'armée de l'air croate est aujourd'hui en visite Franche MoD ... 10 jours après avoir reçu l'offre de la France. Le ministère de la Défense croate dit; tout ce qu'il est classé, aucun commentaire.

merci gargouille I have introduced myself, thanks for suggestion... regarding the Rafale , is there some france sources with some extra details ...F3, F3-R , M88-2/4 ? amitiés à tous

Bonjur un amoureux de l'aviation militaire ... croatie amitiés à tous

https://vlada.gov.hr/vijesti/zaprimljene-ponude-za-nabavu-borbenog-aviona-u-morh-u/30315 new Gripen C/D model, USA new F-16 block 70, France used Rafale, Israel used F-16 block 30 (on TPT with USA and LM) We will have final decision by end of 2020.

Today Croatia received an DGA offer for 12 (not new) Rafale. No further official detailes