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c'est quand même formidable, le lendemain del'acceptation de l'assignation (par vote à l'ONU) de la demande serbe au sujet du Kosovo à la Cour de Justice Internationale, les 2 états voisins du Kosovo reconnaissent son independance (hum en douceur et sans y etre forcés bien sur, voir post au dessus) et le surlendemain, c'est Athisaarii le calamiteux et fortement biaisé negociateur de l'ONU pour cette province (qui a donc aidé à son detachement de la Serbie ce qui est à l'encontre du droit international) qui est elu Prix Nobel de la Paix 2008
Y'a quelque chose de pourri au royaume des instances internationales (mais j'applaudi cyniquement le timing parfait)
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A noter les voisins du Kosovo (Montenegro et Macédoine) ont reconnus hier soir l'independance de la province. Cela dis de nombreux observateurs se plaignent de pressions diplomatiques US et européennes pour cela
Montenegro and Macedonia — both seeking membership in NATO and the European Union — have been under pressure from the United States and some EU countries to recognize Kosovo's February declaration of independence.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_re_eu/eu_montenegro_kosovo_serbia
et ce n'est pas une decision facile : d'un coté une hypothétique accession à l'UE qu'on leur promet (mais bon les paroles ne coutent rien ...) et de l'autre une minorité albanophone agitée qui pourrait en profiter pour essayer de faire secession et de demander le rattachement au Kosovo
On se prepare de bons jours bien chauds dans le coin. Qu'avait dis le LB pas de conflit majeurs ou sur le sol européen avant 15 ans , c'est ça ??
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y'a pas que cela
Kouchner par exemple a une antipathie anti-serbe bien ancrée
quant à NS il doit même pas savoir ou c'est sur la carte alors .....
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http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/area.aspx?FolderID=342&docID=1005
Product Name:SIMON
Title:Door Breaching Rifle Grenade
The Simon is a rifle-launched grenade, specially adapted for surprise stand-off breaching of steel or wooden doors. The grenade is launched from a rifle, using standard live ammunition, to ranges of 15 to 30 meters.
The Simon, a combat-proven weapon, which gained operational success with the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) and additional armed forces, can be used for military, counter-terrorist and homeland security applications.
The Simon is comprised of a self-contained unit with a specially designed charge in a plasitc housing, standoff rod, stabilizing tail, S&A mechanism and impact detonator. The fuze is armed only after the designated safety distance.
The Simon may be mounted on a variety of personal assault rifles, typically no special modification or adapter is required and it may be launched by firing any of several types of regular 5.56 mm ball ammunition rounds.
SIMON eliminates risk to the operator, reduces injury to personnel in the vicinity of the door and minimizes collateral damage.
Main Features:
* Increases the element of surprise
* Lightweight (680 gr)
* Range: 15 - 30 meters (static SIMON, which is attached to the door is also available)
* Fired with regular live bullets
* Insensitive Munitions (IM)
* Minimizes injary risk and damage to property
* Easily adaptable to a variety of rifles
* Simple to operate
Pdf : http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/7/927.pdf
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Mon cher Philippe, euh comment dire :
La seule armée de terre dispose d’un budget bien supérieur (10 milliards d’euros) à l’ensemble des forces armées d’Israel, aide US incluse !
budget israélien 2007 : 52.4 milliards de shekels soit 10,7 milliards d'euros (et ça ne comprend pas les dons en nature de matériel US ni les benefices de ventes de matériel usagé non negligeable mais ça comprend l'aide economique américaine)
budget AdT 2007 : 9 milliards d'euros (25000 civils compris)
De toute façon c'est un faux debat, Israél etant une armée de conscription beaucoup moins chere qu'une armée pro.
source ??Les USA considèrent que la DGA et la Légion sont les seules choses remarquables dans nos armées
merci de prendre des choix plus pertinents (armée anglaise par exemple) l'USMC etant à part (et vocation expeditionnaire) de toute façon ça a largement été discuté sur ce forumL’armée de terre est 3 fois moins projetable à effectif donné que les Marines US.
blabla...25.000 personnels sont complètement inutiles
reblabla et limite criminel comme reflexionLe sort des fantassins serait presque enviable par rapport à une bonne partie de nos marins ou aviateurs s'ils devaient affronter un adversaire moderne et compétent.
Philippe tu me decois, ce post n'est pas digne de tes reflexions antérieures, le niveau baisse ou c'est la fatigue ? ;)
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Qu'il se ré-inscrive et qu'on passe à la suite.
<soyons clair : Non
et que tout le monde arrête avec Stratège
maintenant si Philippe souhaite poster en son propre nom les idées de Stratège c'est son droit. par contre cela sera son devoir d'assurer et d'assumer le débat qui suivra (mais je pense qu'il est assez grand pour cela ;))
Par contre il est de règle qu'une personne bannie le reste (même si certains petits malins arrivent à passer à travers plus ou moins longtemps par bidouillage informatique ou autre)
Question close DEFINITIVEMENt (ça ne s'adresse pas particulièrement à toi C7 mais à tout ceux qui vont finir par monter un fan club hurlant et vociférant)
A partir de maintenant de toute façon vu que ça fait un moment que cela dure, les appels à la reintégration de Stratège seront assimilés à du trolling et punis en conséquence : comme ça au moins la position du staff est claire, nette, précise et sans faux plis>
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* Guidance systems developed for air-launched munitions had obvious applications to other munitions, such as artillery shells, and in fact, as mentioned, the design studies that led to the Paveway LGB started out as investigations into laser-guided artillery rounds. Following these studies, in the early 1970s the US Army initiated development of the "Cannon-Launched Guided Projectile (CLGP)", better known as the "M-712 Copperhead".
Copperhead is a laser-guided artillery round for launch from 155 millimeter (6.1 inch) guns. Martin Marietta conducted studies for the CLGP in the late 1970s, leading to a production contract in 1979. However, full development of a smart munition that could be fired out of an artillery piece, subjecting it to on the order of 10,000 gees of acceleration, proved difficult, and Copperhead didn't enter service until the mid-1980s.
Copperhead is 1.37 meters (4 feet 6 inches) long, of course is 155 millimeters in diameter, and weighs 62.4 kilograms (137.5 pounds). Maximum range is 16 kilometers (10 miles). It is fired like a conventional artillery round, and requires little special handling or training, though there are switches on the munition to specify trajectory and laser designation options.
On firing, a thermal battery and a timer inside the Copperhead are activated, a gyro is spun up, tailfins pop open, and the laser seeker begins to scan. The seeker acquires laser reflections from a target as the munition falls toward the earth, and then fins pop open from the midbody to guide the Copperhead into its target, which is destroyed by the shell's hollow charge warhead. Work was performed on a Copperhead variant with a radar-homing seeker, but this version did not go into production.
* In the 1990s, the US military's infatuation with GPS led to development of a new generation of GPS-guided artillery shells, with the designation "Extended Range Guided Munition (ERGM)". Two similar shells are being developed by Raytheon, including the US Army's "XM-982" 155 millimeter munition, and the US Navy's "EX-171" 127 millimeter (5 inch) munition.
The Army and Navy weapons have similar electronics, though the Army munition uses a silicon INS while the Navy munition uses a fiber-optic gyro INS. Of course, the shell size is different, and the Navy's 1.5 meter (5 foot) long EX-171 has a rocket booster that gives it a maximum range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). ERGM has pop-out tail and nose fins for guidance, and has a 20 meter (66 foot) CEP. ERGM will have an secondary seeker mode where it will home in on GPS jammer transmissions, giving it an aggressive antijamming capability. ERGM's baseline configuration is as a cargo shell, with 72 "EX-1" submunitions, a derivative of the US Army M80 DPICM. Initial firing of an "all-up" ERGM round was in June 2002.
Efforts have been put into developing cargo shells with smart submunitions. The US Army worked with Aerojet to develop such an munition with the designation of "M898 Sense And Destroy Armor (SADARM)". SADARM consists of two submunitions in a 155-millimeter shell. As the shell descends into the target area after launch, it ejects the two submunitions, which then release a ballute to stabilize themselves, and finally release parachutes to slow their descent. Each submunition carries an infrared and a millimeter-wave sensor, and as the submunition descends it scans the area below it for the signature of an armored vehicle. On targeting an armored vehicle, the submunition fires an explosively-formed projectile into the thin-skinned top of the vehicle. SADARM went into production in 1996. Over a hundred were expended during the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the munition was regarded as more effective than expected.
The German GIFS "SMART-155" munition features a multimode seeker featuring an IR sensor, microwave radar, and microwave radiometer; stabilizing ballute and fins, and braking parachute; and explosively-formed kinetic-energy penetrating warhead. Initial live-fire tests of the SMART-155 were performed in 1996, and is now in service with the German, Swiss, and Greek armies.
* Bofors of Sweden has developed the "Strix" smart mortar round, which fires a single smart munition. The Strix looks much like a conventional mortar round, with tailfins that unwrap from the end of the round. The Strix has been in service with the Swedish Army since 1994, and has been ordered by the Swiss Army. Bofors developed a 155-millimeter shell, the "BONUS-155", with two such submunitions, but there's no indication that it has gone into production.
The Strix is the only Western smart mortar round to be introduced so far. The US Army has worked on a smart round for the 120 millimeter mortar, with the designation "M395 Precision Guided Mortar Munition (PGMM)", in the form of a hollow-charge gliding munition with popout fins and a laser seeker. The program has been protracted, though for the moment it seems to be on track.
There has been a debate on the usefulness of smart mortar rounds. Critics have suggested that the limited range and destructive capability of mortar rounds make them too limited to make adding a relatively expensive seeker worthwhile. Advocates have replied that the PGMM's glide capability extends its reach by an order of magnitude compared to a conventional mortar bomb, and that a large munition isn't needed for a pinpoint attack -- indeed, a larger weapon may just cause more collateral damage.
There are a number of other smart shell / mortar round development efforts in the works in the West, but again, it is worthwhile to take them with a grain of salt. These programs seem to pop up in the press and then disappear again, sometimes finally being cancelled, or sometimes emerging again in a different form.
* The Soviets developed their answer to the US Copperhead laser-guided artillery projectile, the "Krasnopol" series of munitions. As with Copperhead, it was to be used to perform precision strikes on hard targets, with the target laser-designated by reconnaissance assets or special ops teams. Work on the Krasnopol munition was begun at the KBP organization in Tula in the late 1970s. The munition was to be fired out of a standard 152 millimeter howitzer, giving it a range of 10 to 20 kilometers (6 to 12 miles). The Soviets found developing a guidance system that could withstand thousand of gees as troublesome as did the Americans, and the munition didn't begin to reach service units until 1987.
The Krasnopol system is built around a laser-guided projectile, which is 1.3 meters (4 feet 4 inches) long, with the rest of the system consisting of fire-control apparatus and a laser target designator. The munition will not fit into automatic loaders and has to be hand-loaded, but the operational cycle takes only about 90 seconds. The fire-control system is linked to the laser designator to ensure that it is only turned on about ten seconds before impact, otherwise the munition will try to drop into a flat trajectory to the target, robbing it of kinetic energy and range. During midcourse flight, the munition is guided by an INS. The target has to be within about a kilometer from the precalculated impact point. Kill probability is about 90% in clear weather conditions.
A second-generation version of the munition, the "Krasnopol-M", was developed in the 1990s. It reduced the length to 95 centimeters (3 feet 1.4 inches), allowing it to be used in automatic loaders, though it has shorter range. The Krasnopol-M is available in both 152 millimeter and 155 millimeter variants. It has been exported to at least twelve nations, and Russian forces have used it to fight the insurgency in Chechnya.
Tula KBP also sells a 122 millimeter laser-guided munition, the "Kitolov-2", which is derived from the Krasnopol, as well as a comparable 120 millimeter laser-guided mortar round, the "Kitolov-2M". These have not been fielded by the Russian military and seem to be for the export market.
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The SAAB/Bofors Strix smart mortar round uses infrared technology to find-hit-kill targets
Smart mortar ammunition
The development of precision-guided mortar ammunition has been a chequered affair with many programmes falling by the wayside because of budgetary, technical and doctrinal problems. But by the mid-1990s, the first systems had entered frontline use and a number of programmes around the world were at an advanced stage.
So-called smart mortar rounds use a variety of guidance systems to achieve the much desired one-round, one-kill capability. Laser designation involves an observer directing a laser beam at the intended target. A seeker in the in-bound round detects the reflected laser light and small moveable fins steer the weapon towards the target.
Newer generation guidance systems use either millimetric radar or imaging infrared to detect their targets. Electronic target libraries stored in the weapon’s computer brain are used to determine if a target is valid. Once a target is identified and recognised, the weapon’s targeting computer sends instructions to moveable fins or thrusters to steer it to its target. These weapons are true fire-and-forget systems; once launched they autonomously find their targets.
Smart mortar rounds
The British Royal Ordnance 81mm Merlin millimetric radar guided round was one of the first- generation smart mortar rounds. It was developed at considerable expense by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) but a production order was never placed because of the high cost of the weapon.
The only western system in frontline use is the SAAB/Bofors Strix that has been in service with the Swedish Army since 1994 and also has been ordered by the Swiss Army. This uses imaging infrared technology to find-hit-kill targets. The Strix round can be used from most standard 120mm mortar tubes and crews require little additional training. It is optimised to attack the weak top armour of tanks and other vehicles.
Crews are provided with a small programming unit that inputs relevant targeting data prior to use. This is similar to the procedure for setting a normal proximity fuse. Three rounds can be fired from an individual mortar in 20 seconds and they hit targets in excess of seven kilometres. No maintenance is required except for routine humidity checks. To reduce training costs there is a practice programming projectile, inert sustainer and launch unit.
The US Army initiated its precision-guided mortar munition (PGMM) advanced technology demonstrator (ATD) programme in 1994 by launching a run-off between three European designs before selecting the German Diehl Bussard weapon. The 120mm round’s range is up to 15km and it uses either man-in-the-loop laser designation or fire-and-forget imaging infrared seeker. Lockheed Martin Electronics & Missiles are running the US end of the development programme.
Extended range demonstrations of the PGMM will take place later this year. The ATD is due to be concluded with a flight test to engage a laser-designated bunker during 2001.
The US Army envisages the PGMM as being a manoeuvre task force commander’s hip-pocket precision-guided, indirect weapon. It will provide the responsive, stand-off, one-shot-kills capability that is thought to be so critical in military operations in urban terrain. The laser seeker and guidance and control designs are being matched to the warhead for maximum effectiveness against point target. Funding to set up production facilities is in the US Army programme for 2002 to 2006.
The 81mm Merlin millimetric radar-guided round - one of the first of the smart generation
Fibre optics
Boeing have been managing a long-term programme for the US Army to develop the fibre-optic mortar projectile that uses an unjammable fibre-optic cable to guide the weapon. Both of these programmes have yet to result in the fielding of operational systems.
It is thought highly likely that a mortar-launched version of the Franco-German Polypheme fibre-optic guided weapon may be developed. This solution offers significant savings because expensive guidance and control units do not have to built into individual rounds that are lost when the weapon is employed. These key elements remain safely in the firing unit.
The 120mm ACED directed-effect anti-armour round is a definition study being conducted by TDA to capitalise on technology use in the ACED 155mm smart artillery round. It uses a combination of millimetric wave radar and imaging infrared sensors to guide and queue a top attack munition. TDA are contemplating beginning work on a laser-designated mortar round. The round would be part of the family of generic ACED weapons. Each mortar round would feature two sub-munitions.
Russian developments
Rheinmetalls are in the process of developing the sensor-fused 120mm HE-L round with an in-service date of 2005 that utilises a ground distance sensor for terminal guidance. This is being developed for use on the Wiesel 2 light armoured vehicle. A special anti-armour warhead containing tungsten balls also is being developed for the weapon.
The Russians have fielded a number of laser- designated and guided mortar rounds including the 240mm 1K113 Smelchak and 120mm Kitolov-2M.
Smart rounds are still in their infancy and look like becoming an area of great interest worthy of special attention over the coming years as armies look to field increasing numbers of precision-guided weapons. New computer technology also offers a way forward that does not involve huge capital costs. ©
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soyons clair : non
d'ailleurs plus personne n'en as
les missiles ASAT US (tirés de F15) ont été decommisionnés, les systèmes russes de la guerre froide sont partis à la feraille et pour l'instant aucun pays ne semble avoir de système réellement opérationnel
les Chinois ont detruits un de leur vieux satellite en 2007 mais c'etait un satellite "mort" sans capacités de manoeuvre et dont la trajectoire etait connue et previsible
Les USA ont detruit au SM3 un satellite en descente vaers le sol mais là idem la trajectoire etait assez facile à calculer
Donc pour l'instant on a les premisses de nouvelles armes ASAT mais rien de reellement concret
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RPG 32 ?
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et ouaip et si les chinois sont pas chaud qui c'est qui a encore des liquidités ??
les russes (heu je crois que ça va pas être possible)
les pays du Golfe (bordel de m......)
accessoirement :
Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves are so low that the country can only afford one month of imports and faces possible bankruptcy.
Officially, the central bank holds $8.14 billion (£4.65 billion) of foreign currency, but if forward liabilities are included, the real reserves may be only $3 billion - enough to buy about 30 days of imports like oil and food.
Nine months ago, Pakistan had $16 bn in the coffers.
The government is engulfed by crises left behind by Pervez Musharraf, the military ruler who resigned the presidency in August. High oil prices have combined with endemic corruption and mismanagement to inflict huge damage on the economy.
Given the country's standing as a frontline state in the US-led "war on terrorism", the economic crisis has profound consequences. Pakistan already faces worsening security as the army clashes with militants in the lawless Tribal Areas on the north-west frontier with Afghanistan.
The economic crisis has already placed the future of the new government in doubt after the transition to a civilian rule. President Asif Ali Zardari has faced numerous but unproven allegations of corruption dating from the two governments led by his wife, Benazir Bhutto, who was assassinated last December.
The Wall Street Journal said that Pakistan's economic travails were "at least in part, a crisis of confidence in him".
While Mr Musharraf's prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, frequently likened Pakistan to a "Tiger economy", the former government left an economy on the brink of ruin without any durable base.
The Pakistan rupee has lost more than 21 per cent of its value so far this year and inflation now runs at 25 per cent. The rise in world prices has driven up Pakistan's food and oil bill by a third since 2007.
Efforts to defer payment for 100,000 barrels of oil supplied every day by Saudi Arabia have not yet yielded results, while the government has also failed to raise loans on favourable terms from "friendly countries".
Mr Zardari told the Wall Street Journal that Pakistan needed a bail out worth $100 billion from the international community.
"If I can't pay my own oil bill, how am I going to increase my police?" he asked. "The oil companies are asking me to pay $135 [per barrel] of oil and at the same time they want me to keep the world peaceful and Pakistan peaceful."
The ratings agency Standard and Poor's has given Pakistan's sovereign debt a grade of CCC +, which stands only a few notches above the default level.
The agency gave warning that Pakistan may be unable to cover about $3 billion in upcoming debt payments.
Mr Zardari is expected to ask the international community for a rescue package at a meeting in Abu Dhabi next month.
This gathering will determine whether the West is willing to bail out Pakistan.
<sinon je fusionne avec le sujet sur la crise mondiale>
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bon je remonte le topic mais je suis tombé sur un brouillon de plan opérationnel de l'OTAN ecrit durant la campagne aérienne sur le Kosovo et portant sur les possibilités d'une opération terrestre de l'OTAN sur le sol yougoslave
c'est assez interessant à lire, jetez y un coup d'oeil pour voir comment sont evalués les scénarios (detail c'est marrant mais c'est presque comparable à un plan opérationnel du commandement soviétique pendant la guerre froide avec un decoupage : option "soft", option moyenne et option absolue)
http://members.tripod.com/balkania/resources/military/stratfor-ground_warfare.html#part2
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Armée Suisse
dans Europe
heu les gars vous et nous et d'autres pays européens ne sommes pas en guerre
donc normalement l'approche d'une base ne se fera pas par un pequin moyen (d'abord qu'est ce qu'il en sait de qui comment et quoi monte la garde .... ?? en general le panneau zone militaire/tir à vue suffit à dissuader 95 % des gens)
pour les 5 % restants soient ils sont suicidaires/psychotiques/desequilibrés donc un bon coup de pelle et on en parle plus ;)
et si jamais le gars arrive a se faire 2 bidasses en tenue de combat il a interet a savoir courir plus vite que les helicos de gendarmerie
en gros si vous craignez une attaque terroriste, primo c'est pas 2 plantons avec arme chargée ou pas qui arreteront des hommes determinés
idem si ce qui vous turlupine ce sont des infiltrations de spetznaz (d'ailleurs si vous en voyez appelez moi, c'est rare de nos jours par chez nous :lol:)
et normalement même pour 2 ou 3 terroristes (que ce soit l'ETA ou le groupuscule de libération des nains de jardins), une zone militaire est deja dissuasive en soit
si vous me trouvez des volontaires pour aller essayer de piquer un VAB ou un AMX10P dans un camp de legionnaire par exemple, même si les patrouilles la bas sont plutot faite version manche de pioche que FAMAS chargé en bon de guerre, vous me les mettez de coté par ce que ceux là c'est pareil vous en verrez pas tout les jours
donc arme chargée je vois pas l'interet sauf zones très sensibles (armurerie, reserves de munitions, Base aérienne, zone d'activité de la FOST)
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La Chine a annulé ou repoussé plusieurs échanges militaires avec les Etats-Unis
ouais bon aucune conséquence si ce n'est de l'agitation diplomatique de part et d'autre puisqu'il s'agit d'echanges militaires (bateau à l'amarrage, demo ....etc)
c'est pas la première fois que ca arrive et pas la dernière
un non evenement quoi ...
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LAV-25 ??
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Oky ...
alors, si il pouvait nous filer des armes juste histoire de bien faire ch*** les grecs >:( =)
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ce general est d'origine macédonienne...
Qué ? ? ?
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coté relationnel popotte il est plutot doué le CEMA
faudrait voir à etre aussi doué pour le reste ...........
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Hi
dans Presentez vous
salut et bienvenu parmi nous ...
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<bon les sujets sont visiblement là et correctement groupés, les liens initiaux de Phillipe (3 posts au dessus) fonctionnent encore en partie (pour le sujet "core", pour les sujets fusionnés dessus, ils ne marchent plus ce qui est normal pluisqu'ils n'existent plus en tant que tel .... ouf je respire quand même, faut pas me filer des flippes comme ça !!! c'est pas bon pour mon palpitant >
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<heu avant d'applaudir je voudrais moi aussi savoir ou sont passés les sujets sur les hélos >:( :'(>
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<Voilà qui est fait ...>
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de toute façon le conept est biaisé dès le depart (2000 missiles à combien de millions pièce pour une salve .... hum)
ce concept est viable si on fait dans du moins cher et là je vois pas comment (où alors faire des sortes de bombes GPS ou AASM tirées par missile un peu comme les ASROC etaient des torpilles tirées par missile .... et même cela je doute que cela soit beaucoup moins cher)
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hum et on pourrait pas combiner deux idées en une
un "frappeur" à base de plateforme BPC par exemple sur laquel on pourrait aussi faire tourner des helicoptères ou des avions SVTOL
Ca suppose de mettre des silos sous le pont et de neutraliser la capacité d'emport amphibie (pas taper, Fusilier =)) mais ça serait faisable
bon dans ce cadre on se retrouve avec un concept à la russede croisseur porte helicoptère voir porte avion lance missile
rien de bien innovant au final
et effectivement à usage restreint (si ce n'est que ce serait un vecteur supplémentaire de dissuasion puisque certains MdCN pourraient etre attifé d'une coiffe nuke et que l'on pourrait très bien imaginer des appareils SVTOL emportant des ASMP-A)
bon d'accord ça voudrait aussi dire acheter des F35B....beuuurk
ou alors remettre au gout du jour les mirages Balzac (Rafale Balzacs ??)
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